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Cheers, boos follow renewable energy bill

The Daily Reporter -- A manufacturer and union predict more construction work from a state renewable energy bill, while business groups argue the measure would drive jobs out of Wisconsin.

The bill would support energy-conservation projects by increasing the amount the state charges ratepayers. It also would set a 2025 deadline for 25 percent of state electricity to come from renewable sources, such as wind or solar.

Supporters of the bill, such as solar panel manufacturer Helios USA LLC and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Wisconsin local unions, are rallying for the bill.

The proposed changes, especially the conservation mandate, mean jobs for electricians, construction laborers and pipe fitters, said Dave Boetcher, government affairs coordinator for the local unions.

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LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,988 Points:767,005 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 12:00:22 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse JOHNNY95206 from Stockton... Hey Dude...even the mighty Mississippi started as small raindrops in Minnesota! Using the 'glass is half full' theory, more of us should try it around here, that is 50 more families WITH a job. Fifty more families spending money in your town, 50 families helping the economy. Small raindrops and baby steps....something to applaud not denigrate!
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:7,205 Points:1,170,885 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 11:24:18 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse CobraLeader: Please contain yourself and watch your laguage. That nonsense it totally unnecessary here. WI's renewable energy bill is very similar to others passed much earlier by most states. The legislators and people of Wisconsin should have no problem with this. Come on Madison, what is taking so long to get this moving?
JOHNNY95206 Champion Author Stockton Posts:2,780 Points:306,380 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 4:08:53 AM Ignore JOHNNY95206 Report Abuse "Renewable-energy goals proposed in Wisconsin and enacted in surrounding states are helping Helios USA build its first solar panel manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, said CEO Steve Ostrenga. He would not say where the plant would be built, but said it would have about 40,000 square feet and create at least 50 jobs within three years of opening." 50 jobs in 3 Year WoW. What the % Is that to the people out of work that need job? Make a lot of ¢ yes?
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:5,713 Points:1,013,800 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 1:59:18 AM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse I hope the only ones who get jobs are not union, illegal alien only!
MikLamb Champion Author Texas Posts:5,643 Points:1,712,120 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 1:22:48 AM Ignore MikLamb Report Abuse Seems good to me.
The_Gunslinger Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,897 Points:384,340 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:15:54 AM Ignore The_Gunslinger Report Abuse I'm just a bill. I'm only a bill.
greenfog Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,159 Points:1,176,515 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:12:51 AM Ignore greenfog Report Abuse if they can make it work, then do it. we need more renewable energy and it has to start somewhere.
fordmexico Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,533 Points:306,750 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:10:06 AM Ignore fordmexico Report Abuse All you need to do is to look around at the rest of the world. China is quickly becoming the economic power of the 21st. century. Despite massive coal reserves, they are also investing huge amounts of money in wind, solar and nuclear energy. They are quickly taking leadership positions in wind and solar power. Germany is also investing heavily in alternative energy, especially wind power. Shouldn't all of this tell all you with your "head stuck in the ground "drill baby drill" mentality" that the USA better get off its butt and prepare for the future! Industry has the history of resisting change, especially change that will cause short-term profit declines as everyone is living in the present and wants immediate gratification, profits and bonuses no matter what the consequences for the future. Is this going to be expensive? Yes? Will there be employment issues as the USA transitions from a manufacturing based economy to one based upon technology and services? Yes. Still, we need to start now! Otherwise, we will find ourselves in the same position as Great Britain at the end of the 19th century as it clung to a coal based manufacturing economy and did not invest in the future. Instead, the British relied upon their military power in hopes they could maintain their dominant position as a world leader. We should not let this happen to the USA!
moody4u Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,635 Points:716,180 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:03:34 AM Ignore moody4u Report Abuse We do not need A bill !
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:12,466 Points:1,882,730 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 14, 2010 12:00:38 AM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse No free energy lunches, folks.
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,470 Points:1,049,730 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:58:45 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse A new renewable energy bill? What happened to the last one that President Obama tried to shove down the American people's throat?
jay4 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,792 Points:1,326,080 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:52:57 PM Ignore jay4 Report Abuse Just do it.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:14,338 Points:2,568,640 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:50:03 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Partly good.
GasitupJB Champion Author Columbia Posts:3,771 Points:572,255 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:50:00 PM Ignore GasitupJB Report Abuse Too much politics in our energy policy.
HailstormCA Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,856 Points:1,074,775 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:36:51 PM Ignore HailstormCA Report Abuse Alternative sources of energy should carry with them the same burden of taxes as regular sources.
kbierley Champion Author Dayton Posts:9,931 Points:1,270,610 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:35:11 PM Ignore kbierley Report Abuse How can any energy bill be good with Special Interest Deals loaded in it?
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:3,779 Points:1,204,745 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:31:01 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse If this means my energy costs are going up again, I won't be happy.
dinahf Champion Author Kansas City Posts:9,483 Points:1,447,095 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:26:24 PM Ignore dinahf Report Abuse Renewable energy sources are good...no two ways about that! But we should have moved to renewable energy a decade ago.Hydro-power from dams has been under-exploited too. Anything renewable = better than non-renewable.
rimpyCA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,550 Points:664,150 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:20:34 PM Ignore rimpyCA Report Abuse alrighty
enigma09 Veteran Author Dayton Posts:448 Points:774,535 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:17:55 PM Ignore enigma09 Report Abuse solar panels = pricey!
DancingDee Champion Author Gary Posts:3,643 Points:907,920 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:15:38 PM Ignore DancingDee Report Abuse To BEngr: Did you really have to make your post so long?!!!
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,298 Points:1,190,855 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:11:49 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse When you drive up energy cost, you hurt the poor and the elderly. Shame on Wisconsin.
salgood Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,138 Points:564,780 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:07:52 PM Ignore salgood Report Abuse Most excellent Ted, $700 million for 50 solar panel jobs. I'd love to have one of those jobs that pay $14 million per year!
BEngr Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,268 Points:1,116,205 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 11:01:48 PM Ignore BEngr Report Abuse I'm all for using renewable energy sources such as wind and solar. But if you have to raise utility bills to pay for these kind of projects which will only provide short term construction jobs. The fact is when they are completed and operational they only need a few people to operate them for the next 20 to 30 years. Also there is no incentive to the people who pay these utility bills, because when was the last time you saw a utility bill go down? In the meantime, you driven out manufacturing companies because they can no longer afford higher utility bills and they employ more people all year long for many years. I think the state needs to rethink their logic, before they lose manufacturing companies and add more people to their unemployment roles.
SBlouch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:6,891 Points:1,471,855 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:58:05 PM Ignore SBlouch Report Abuse There is only gonna be 25% of state renewable energy. As usual they plan to have the ratepayers pay for it.
altima2008 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:5,793 Points:1,272,305 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:55:48 PM Ignore altima2008 Report Abuse Why didn't we do something like this 20 years ago? We wouldn't be in this mess now!
Jeeputtputt Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,388 Points:341,520 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:53:56 PM Ignore Jeeputtputt Report Abuse 15 years,--- way too long
dinahf Champion Author Kansas City Posts:9,483 Points:1,447,095 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:52:13 PM Ignore dinahf Report Abuse Twenty-five percent from renewable energy by 2025???That's just too little..too late! Should have thought of this 8 or 10 years ago and gotten more from wind and solar by now....
zeddieiv Champion Author Columbia Posts:5,651 Points:1,490,920 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:50:49 PM Ignore zeddieiv Report Abuse booo
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:7,591 Points:1,887,920 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:49:16 PM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse Have they considered the cost of going solar? Not everyone has that kind of money. I makes no difference if you go broke attempting to buy solar power or if you go broke paying penalties.
nightworker998 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,184 Points:508,290 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:46:00 PM Ignore nightworker998 Report Abuse Companies and people are more likely to conserve with a carrot (incentives) than the stick ( rate hikes)
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:17,140 Points:1,673,495 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:41:20 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse We can't keep using fossil fuels forever! Someday we WILL run out. And sure, we may have enough coal to last hundreds of years, but not oil! Wake up!
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:13,635 Points:1,904,470 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:38:32 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse sieg heil
woodeye55 Champion Author Gary Posts:4,654 Points:1,391,730 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:38:10 PM Ignore woodeye55 Report Abuse Boringggggggg
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,740 Points:2,058,465 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:28:09 PM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse Renewable energy is a way to improve energy resources and put more people at work while curbing other industries from having monopolistic control of resources. Wake up people.
NurseKitty Rookie Author Texas Posts:48 Points:68,735 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:22:42 PM Ignore NurseKitty Report Abuse right
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:4,349 Points:1,100,475 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:19:20 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse Captive audiance
2907 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,525 Points:843,590 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:13:03 PM Ignore 2907 Report Abuse Yeah Yeah!
ccrb Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:8,937 Points:1,747,575 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:12:06 PM Ignore ccrb Report Abuse investment and projects only really make sense when the market demands and supports it.
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,812 Points:1,168,195 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:08:38 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse Because the government is sponsoring it, it is bad. They are currently capable of doing virtually nothing for the good of the people.
beachbumCA Champion Author Riverside Posts:10,459 Points:1,206,350 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:06:07 PM Ignore beachbumCA Report Abuse They do not need jobs in Wisconsin. Here in California we are doing our best to kill as many jobs as we can.
toyrunner300 Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,219 Points:1,214,860 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:03:56 PM Ignore toyrunner300 Report Abuse Time will tell, only hope it is good.
letmathe Champion Author Chicago Posts:12,421 Points:2,731,190 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 10:03:22 PM Ignore letmathe Report Abuse Hope the jobs are sustainable.
Rick52 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:9,422 Points:738,335 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:56:18 PM Ignore Rick52 Report Abuse I'm Union ... This is a total waste ...No one is thinking past their nose... The long run out come !! This is my Tax dollars being Wasted !!!! I need work Too !!! But not with wasted tax money that I will have to pay for .. [Edited by: Rick52 at 3/13/2010 9:58:50 PM EST]
egd Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:6,059 Points:1,723,790 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:52:24 PM Ignore egd Report Abuse its an investment
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:5,619 Points:1,114,250 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:45:56 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse is it financially viable?
k2kipp Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,179 Points:746,860 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:45:13 PM Ignore k2kipp Report Abuse Wonder about the cost...
kidrockTX Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:3,854 Points:508,370 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:40:30 PM Ignore kidrockTX Report Abuse is obama in on this if so it is no good
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:15,397 Points:3,054,380 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:38:39 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse Yet another case of the government telling you how to live. If renewable energy were competitive without subsidies there would be a massive conversion on its own without the need to steal from the taxpayers.
jarrjazz1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:2,189 Points:450,615 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2010 9:33:03 PM Ignore jarrjazz1 Report Abuse keep conserving!